With flu season starting up, I thought it appropriate to bring up an issue of some debate. Flu vaccines are promoted for children and the elderly, especially those with other serious medical conditions. All fine and dandy. I agree these people should get them. However, there is concern that a serious pandemic will occur sometime in the near future. I wonder if governments are prepared for such an event. Vaccines are produced in limited amounts each year. Will we be able to cope with the demand for more vaccines in an emergency? Also, what will be the priority in such an emergency? Will we still put priority on children and the elderly? Or would it make more sense to vaccinate the healthy, productive adult who will be required to work during such an outbreak? Will it be in our best interest to still reserve vaccines for the weak? Sacrifice the healthy and save the sick? I certainly hope the governments already have plans in place.

Hi Dig…..I was wondering if you have studied at all the discipline of Virology which is the study of the human Immune System?

Medicines tendency to divide itself into specialty studies has produced the field of professional Virologists. Virologists share an expanding consensus with Neurologists that the contents of the flu and other vaccines are actually what they term Immune disruptors which are causing excessive damage to the human Immune System and how it functions. They also claim that this interference into the Immune System is causing our present increase in human Immune Deficiency and disease. Is causing childhood autism, an increase in childhood asthma, increase in human allergies, and increase in childhood and adult diabetes and even contributing to the health problem of rampant obesity. Virology is now functioning under the term, “Vaccine Induced Disease.”


What are we to think of these claims? Myself, I completely understand that our society passed through the collapse of our industrial base which found us resting on a new base which in its nature is medical, psychological, and psychiatric and functions from the foundational root of the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex. With this understanding the Vaccine Movement interconnects into the economic forces in our society, in other words it is a massive, money making and profit driven business.

To understand the possibility of a pandemic it is first necessary to realize that pandemic virus’ are now being created in labs. A highly dangerous undertaking coming in under the guise of medical/scientific experimentation but with no guarantee that safety is foolproof. A good example is Canada’s press which revealed the story that Baxter Labs had sent out seasonal flu vaccines corrupted by live pandemic virus’s to four UK countries. The mistake was caught because UK labs tested the vaccine on ferrets and they immediately died.
Secondly it is wise to study the work of Canadian Naomi Klein who authored the book, “The Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism.” It’s an exceptional read, with research well documented and certainly an understanding of why pandemic fear can tip us into world changing crisis which can allow free market policies to dominate and exploit we the mass of society.

Regards Mikal

I don't subscribe to those notions. I am in the medical field, and there must be two schools of virology. By this, I mean that virology is the study of viruses, and virologists are scientists who study viruses. And those I know, including neurologists, always endorse vaccines. I know there is a group who like to preach about vaccine-induced diseases. But I am not aware that they call themselves virologists.

I won't dispute what you mentioned, but I do know there are so many people who have produced volumes against medical practices. They like to advocate natural healing, etc., which is not bad in itself, but sometimes can be dangerous advice to the common person.

I don't know how much I can trust the press. There is always some agenda. Either they suppress evidence in one way, or fabricate lies in another. The public is often left not knowing who or what to believe. What you mentioned about the flu vaccine is a good example of that. It never made the UK press that I'm aware of. The only one was contaminated meningitis vaccine earlier this year.

I looked up info regarding Baxter and the contaminated vaccines and most of what I got are blog articles and I cannot rely on that. Although, it does present interesting arguments.

You know Dig...I am a person not into vaccines, I got one childhood one that never took and I have never had a flu shot yet have been absolutely healthy in the last 11 years, no flu, no infection, no colds.
I work with a team of 13 ladies who all receive the yearly flu shot. Last winter even though I work in the public I again passed through the winter completely healthy. My 12 teammates, amongst them, experienced 5 winter illnesses even though they got the flu shot. I would ask what that is all about and why am I healthier than them when they are supposed to be protected.
There are many good, reputable doctors speaking out about vaccines and also doing studies into the possible connect between vaccine and huge inclines of illness and disease.
I will attempt to find the Baxter story in my files, which are numerous and drop it here for you.
So you believe in vaccines and I don't! Thats not the end of the world for either of us but I really dislike the idea of fabricated lies when the truth of our state is that we are a therapuetic society pushed and pulled by a huge Pharmacuetical Industrial Complex that is about money, the economy and massive drives for profit. Doctors themselves have admitted that ethically they can poison us or heal us and medicine can be about healing or money making. It would be very hard to deny medicine today is about making money. I respect your perspective Dig but in the same token my perspective keeps me safe and healthy as I have to live and survive in a Therapuetic Society....

Regards Mikal

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The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

And an official of the World Health Organization's European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International's research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

"At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present," medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.

"But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau."

The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a "serious error" on Baxter's part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

On Friday, the company's director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected.

"It was live," Christopher Bona said in an email.

The contaminated product, which Baxter calls "experimental virus material," was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine - including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly - at a facility in the Czech Republic.

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however.

"We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred," said Andraghetti.

"And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic."

Baxter hasn't shed much light - at least not publicly - on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of "just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure."

He said he couldn't reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter's production process.

Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden.

"We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were," she said.

"And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. ... This is very important."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.

Hi Dig,

In my opinion vaccines are just a money making Eugenics operation. Many times vaccine makers have been caught in this attempt to cull off the population.
I know this is hard to take and understand.
In I believe 1996 Bayer Pharmaceuticals was caught releasing both the HIV virus and Hep in a Factor 8 shot for Hemophiliacs. Giving these viruses to many in North America.
Once caught and with full knowledge they sold these tainted shots to European countries.There are past government officials in France in prison for this. None at Bayer were ever charged.
Squalene is an oil based adjuvant. An adjuvant is a substance that helps trigger the bodies natural defenses to react to the targeted virus. The body now also recognizes the Squalene as a invader. The problem with that is our body makes our own version of Squalene to lubricate our joints and protect the Mylan Sheath which lubricates and protects our nervous system.
Our own bodies defenses then attack our own nervous system in response causing numerous dibilatating health problems.
Which of course the drug companies make drugs to treat.

There's a huge conflict of interest going on.

Lets name several other ingredients that can be found in vaccines.
Thimerisol- Mercury in flu shots
Aluminum- in other vaccines
Both adjuvants and considered neuro-toxic metals that make the brain swell and bleed which causes damage and numerous disorders.

I'll stop here and just put up Health Canada's Content of Vaccine list.
Notice the aborted human eggs and Bovine eggs. Also live viruses.
Why give a live virus in a vaccine if they don"t want you to get and transmit the virus?


Symbol of the Government of Canada

Canadian Immunization Guide 2006
Table 1. Type and Contents of Vaccines Currently Approved for Use in Canada
(May 2006)
Brand name Mfr/
distr. Route Vaccine type Adjuvant Preservative Potentiel allergens (egg, antibiotic, gelatin, latex, trace of thimerosal) Other materials
Vaccine type Immunogen+ Products
Act-HIB® SP IM Subunit Hib Conjugate
Actacel™* SP IM Subunit D, T, aP + (Hib) Proteins + conjugate Alum PE
Adacel® SP IM Subunit T, d, ap Proteins Alum PE
Avaxim® SP IM Inactivated HA Killed virus Alum PE Neomycin Formaldehyde
Avaxim® - Pediatric SP IM Inactivated HA Killed virus Alum PE Neomycin Formaldehyde
BCG Vaccine (Freeze-Dried) SP Intra-dermal Live attenuated BCG Live bacteria Polysorbate 80
Boostrix®* GSK IM Subunit D, T, aP Proteins Alum PE Formaldehyde
DT Polio Adsorbed SP IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, IPV Proteins + killed virus Alum PE Polymyxin B, Neomycin Formaldehyde
Dukoral™ SBL/SP Oral Subunit + inactivated Chol-Ecol-O Proteins + killed bacteria Saccharin
Multi dose vial Engerix®-B Single dose vial GSK IM Subunit HB Recombinant protein Alum PE Trace thimerosal Yeast proteins
None
Eolarix™* GSK SC Live M,R Live virus Neomycin Human albumin Lactose, Dextran
Epaxal®** BERN IM Inactivated HA in Inf virosome Killed virus Tm Formaldehyde
Fluviral® S/F IDB IM Inactivated Inf Killed virus Tm Egg proteins Formaldehyde
FSME - IMMUN BAX IM Inactivated TBE Inactivated whole virus Alum Neomycin
Gentamycin
Egg
Protamine sulfate
Chick protein Formaldehyde Human serum albumin Sucrose
Havrix® GSK IM Inactivated HA Killed virus Alum PE Neomycin
Latex in stopper
pre-filled syringes Formaldehyde Polysorbate 20
Hiberix®* GSK IM Subunit Hib Conjugate Lactose
Imovax® Polio* SP SC Inactivated IPV Killed virus PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin,
Streptomycin Bovine serum Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Imovax® Rabies SP IM Inactivated Rab Killed virus Neomycin Human albumin
Inactived Poliomyelitis Vaccine – IPV SP SC Inactivated IPV Killed virus PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin Bovine serum Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Infanrix™* GSK IM Subunit D, T, aP Proteins Alum PE Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Infanrix™-hexa* GSK IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, HB IPV + (Hib) Proteins + killed viruses + conjugate Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin
Trace thimerosal Yeast protein Formaldehyde Lactose Polysorbate 20 and 80 Bovine serum albumin
Infanrix™/Hib* GSK IM Subunit D, T, aP + (Hib) Proteins + conjugate Alum PE Formaldehyde
Lactose
Polysorbate 80
Infanrix™-IPV* GSK IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP IPV Proteins + killed virus Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin Bovine serum Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Infanrix™- IPV/Hib* GSK IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, IPV + (Hib) Protein + killed virus + conjugate Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80 Lactose Bovine serum albumin
Influvac™ SOLV IM/SC Inactivated Inf Killed virus Gentamicin
Egg protein Chicken protein Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
JE-VAX® BIKEN/ SP SC Inactivated JE Killed virus Tm Gelatin Mouse serum Protein Formaldehyde
Liquid Pedvax HIB® MF IM Subunit Hib Conjugate Alum Latex in stopper
Meningitec™ BERN/ WA IM Subunit Men Conjugate Alum
Meningococcal
Polysaccharide Vaccine, Groups A and C, Menomune® A/C SP SC Subunit Men Polysaccharide Lactose
Menjugate® CHIR IM Subunit Men Conjugate Alum
Multidose vial Menomune® A/C/Y/W-135 Single dose vial SP SC Subunit Men Polysaccharide Tm† Latex in stopper Lactose
None
M-M-R® II MF SC Live M, M, R Live virus Gelatine Neomycin Residual components of chick embryo cell cultures Bovine Serum Glutamate Human albumin Residual protein from cell culture Sorbitol Sucrose
Mutacol™** BERN Oral Live Chol Live bacteria Yeast extract Lactose Aspartame
Neisvac-C™ BAX/ GSK IM Subunit Men Conjugate Alum
Pediacel®* SP IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, IPV, Hib Protein, killed virus + conjugate Alum PE Neomycin
Polymyxin B
Streptomycin
Latex in stopper Bovine serum Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Pediarix™* GSK IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, HB, IPV Protein + killed virus Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin Yeast protein Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80 Bovine serum albumin
Pentacel® SP IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, IPV + (Hib) Protein + killed virus + (conjugate) Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin
Latex in stopper Bovine albumin Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Pneumo 23® SP IM/SC Subunit Pneu Polysaccharide P

Multidose vial* Pneumovax® 23
Single dose vial
MF IM/SC Subunit Pneu Polysaccharide P
Prevnar® WA IM Subunit Pneu Conjugate Alum Latex in stopper
Priorix® GSK SC Live M, M, R Live virus Neomycin Lactose
Quadracel® SP IM Subunit + inactivated D, T, aP, IPV Protein + killed virus Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin
Latex in stopper Bovine albumin Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
RabAvert® CHIR/ MF IM Inactivated Rab Killed virus Neomycin
Chlortetracycline
Amphotericin B
Processed gelatin Human albumin Ovalbumin Bovine serum
Multidose vial Recombivax HB®
Single dose vials MF IM Subunit HB Recombinant protein Alum Tm† Latex in stopper Yeast proteins Formaldehyde
None
Td Adsorbed SP IM Subunit T, d Protein Alum Formaldehyde
Td Polio Adsorbed SP IM Subunit + inactivated T, d, IPV Protein + killed virus Alum PE Polymyxin B
Neomycin Bovine albumin Formaldehyde Polysorbate 80
Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed SP IM Subunit T Protein Alum Tm
Tripacel® SP IM Subunit D, T, aP Protein Alum PE Latex in stopper Formaldehyde Glutaraldehyde
Twinrix® GSK IM Subunit + inactivated HB, HA Recombinant protein + killed virus PE Neomycin
Trace thimerosal
Latex in stopper pre-filled syringes Yeast proteins Formaldehyde Polysorbate 20
Twinrix® Junior GSK IM Subunit + inactivated HB, HA Recombinant protein + killed virus PE Neomycin
Trace thimerosal
Latex in stopper pre-filled syringes Yeast proteins Formaldehyde Polysorbate 20
Typherix® GSK IM Subunit Typh-l Polysaccharide P Latex in stopper pre-filled syringes
Typhim Vi® SP IM Subunit Typh-l Polysaccharide P
Vaqta® MF IM Inactivated HA Killed virus Alum Neomycin
Latex in stopper Bovine albumin Formaldehyde Residual protein from cell culture
Varilrix® GSK SC Live Var Live virus Neomycin
Latex in stopper pre-filled syringes for diluent Human albumin
Lactose
Varivax® III MF SC Live Var Live virus Gelatin
Neomycin Bovine serum Glutamate Residual protein from cell culture
Sucrose
Urea
Multidose vial Vaxigrip® Single dose vial SP IM Inactivated Inf Killed virus Tm† Neomycin
Egg protein Formaldehyde

ViVaxim™ SP IM Subunit + inactivated Typh-I + (HA) Polysaccharide + killed virus Alum PE Neomycin Formaldehyde
Vivotif® L BERN Oral Live Typh-O Live virus Lactose Aspartame
Vivotif® BERN Oral Live Typh-I Live virus Gelatin Lactose
YF-VAX® SP SC Live YF Live virus Gelatin
Egg protein
Latex in stopper Chicken protein

Empty boxes indicate a lack of the specified component.
* Drug Identification Number assigned (approved for use but not currently marketed)
** Product is on the market but not currently available
† Thimerosal in multidose vial only

Notes and Abbreviations

The information in this table is based on the product’s availability as of May 2006. Please consult the manufacturer for complete and up-to-date information. The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) will publish updated information as required, which will be available at http://www.naci.gc.ca.

Manufacturer (Mfr) and Distributor (Distr.): For some products, the distributor could be different from the manufacturer.
BAX, Baxter Healthcare Corporation; BERN, Berna Biotech; BIKEN, Biken; CHIR, Chiron; GSK, GlaxoSmithKline; IDB, ID Biomedical Corporation; MF, Merck Frosst; SBL, SBL Vaccine; SP, Sanofi Pasteur Ltd; SOLV, Solvay; WA, Wyeth Canada

Route: IM - intramuscular; SC - subcutaneous

Immunogen:
+ For products in which the immunogens of two different vials or chambers are combined, the contents of the second vial or chamber are noted as + (immunogen)

The following abbreviations are the agreed upon standards for use in Canada:
DTaP-IPV-Hib: diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, acellular pertussis, polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b, pediatric formulation; Tdap: tetanus toxoid, diphtheria toxoid, acellular pertussis, adult formulation; Men - meningococcus; Pneu - pneumococcus; HB: hepatitis B; Chol-Ecol-O: cholera - E.coli

IPV - poliomyelitis vaccine; Inf: influenza; HA: hepatitis A; Rab: rabies; JE: Japanese encephalitis; Typh-I : typhoid - injection; Typh-O: Typhoid - Oral; TBE; tickborne encephalitis

MMR: measles, mumps, rubella; Var: varicella; YF: yellow fever; BCG: Bacilles Calmette-Guérin

Adjuvant: Alum - aluminum-containing adjuvant

Preservative:
P - phenol; PE - 2 phenoxy ethanol; Tm - thimerosal. For the Sanofi Pasteur products, PE is not considered a preservative

Notice Baxter International on the list of companies.
They have been given Billions of dollars also to develope the H1N1 vaccine to which all companies are immune from prosecution and lawsuits for any damage caused. Some call this Bio Warfare against the public!

Do not take the vacinations............Ghosty

Hi all,

Here's an excellent article about the relationship between Squalene and Guillain-Barre Syndrome in the H1N1 vaccines. Government states (of course) there's no information available to indicate any relationship between Squalene and GBS.
In 1991 US soldiers were vaccinated for Anthrax. The vaccine included Squalene, and was linked to the mystery condition called Gulf War Syndrome.

Anyhow check out the article if you like.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...erica.html

Ghosty

Hi all,

Here's another one showing big parma's war with humanity. They're trying to get this......put 3 year olds on anti-depressants.
They will stop at nothing to make a buck even if it includes killing your children.

Ghosty

Should 3-Year-Olds Take Antidepressants? By Martha Rosenberg Aug 17, 2009 . Facebook Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon | |
Related articles: Health > Western Medicine
(Martha Rosenberg) Try to access the Web site of the Archives of General Psychiatry, and you may have to abide an ad for the antidepressant Pristiq before you can enter. (JAMA and its Archives Journals “do not endorse the advertised product,” you’ll be assured.)

But look for a pharma affiliation for the author of the article “Preschool Depression,” Joan L. Luby, M.D., in the August issue, and you’ll be told no “financial disclosure” was reported. Not that “Dr. Luby has received grant/research support from Janssen, has given occasional talks sponsored by AstraZeneca, and has served as a consultant for Shire Pharmaceutical,” as a 2006 article in Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry says.

Even though the pharmaceutical industry has 27 million Americans—10 percent of the population—on antidepressants, thanks to direct to consumer advertising, it is looking for depression in preschoolers. And guess what? It’s finding it!

It’s easy to make jokes about “preschool depression”—students get it every time the alarm rings—but finding depression, “relapses,” “chronicity,” and “treatment resistance” in 3-year-olds is not funny.

Researchers used to believe that “young children were too cognitively and emotionally immature to experience depressive effects,” says Luby, but now believe they can and do suffer from Major Depressive Disorder (MDD).

“The potential public health importance of identification of preschool MDD is underscored by the established unique efficacy of early intervention during the preschool period in other childhood disorders. Based in part on the recurrent course and the relative treatment resistance of childhood MDD, there has been increased interest in the identification of the disorder at the earliest possible stage of development,” says Luby.

Translation: They want to screen your kid.

The case for a new social problem to be called “preschool depression” is so strong that there was only one real wrinkle in Ludy’s longitudinal study of 304 preschoolers, funded by our tax dollars at the National Institute of Mental Health.

Instead of having “anxiety disorders,” usually associated other MDD sufferers, the 3- and 4-year-olds had “disruptive disorders.” Possibly Play-Doh problems.

Undaunted, Luby says the preschoolers need to be screened for impending mental illness because their disruptive behavior “might be associated with social impairment and peer rejection that lead to later MDD.”

Of course, cynics will point out that drinking milk also predicts MDD and that disruptive behavior is the definition of a preschooler, making terms like preschool “social impairment and peer rejection” laughable academic babble.

But of more concern is what exactly is the “treatment” and “intervention” for the at-risk preschooler who might develop depression? And why the hurry?

Is it treatment with Janssen and AstraZeneca antipsychotic drugs, in which case MDD is really a Risperdal or Seroquel deficiency? Is it like Rebecca Riley, given Seroquel at 2 and dead at 4? And the late Destiny Hager who was given Seroquel at 3?

Is the “intervention” like the two children the Miami Herald says Mirko and Regina Ceska of Crawfordville, Fla., adopted from state foster care who were so doped up on antipsychotics the couple asked Gov. Charlie Crist if “chemical restraints” were “prerequisites” in foster care?

Crist’s head of the Department of Children and Families, George Sheldon, subsequently asked them to testify at the investigation into the death of foster-care 7-year-old Gabriel Myers earlier this year, on similar drugs.

It is not a coincidence that 3,100 or 15.5 percent of the Florida’s 20,000 children in state care are on psychoactive drugs, legally prescribed or not, a figure that likely applies to other states.

Do you think private plans will pay $900 a month per patient for a branded blockbuster drug that may not even be necessary?

No wonder pharma sits in so many “advisory positions” on state formularies, tampering with drug decision algorithms.

In fact, Texas charged Janssen in December with defrauding the state of millions “with their sophisticated and fraudulent marketing scheme” to “secure a spot for the drug Risperdal on the state’s Medicaid preferred drug list and on controversial medical protocols that determine which drugs are given to adults and children in state custody.”

In addition to giving trips, perks, and kickbacks to Texas’s mental health officials, says the Dallas News, Janssen disguised marketing tools as scientific research, “including ‘independent’ articles that were nothing of the kind.”

Imagine that.

Martha Rosenberg is a freelance writer living in Chicago.

Thanks for sharing this information. I am looking forward to it. As what have you said that giving trips, perks, and kickbacks to Texas’s mental health officials, says the Dallas News, Janssen disguised marketing tools as scientific research, “including ‘independent’ articles that were nothing of the kind.” Thanks to this one.


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